29th January 2016 12:05 - Posted by : It may not matter to you, though, as there are only a few instances when the difference between papered and non-papered matters. For years breeders said if they didnt have a ridge they had a fault when infact its the ones with the ridge that is faulty. Check out the home and if poss visit a few times before you pick your pup up. However, fortunately for mum & dad, they have received some KC donor papers instead! Pauline. UNLESS someone can prove otherwise!!!!! Can this delay KC pedigree registration? This should really have made me suspicious to start with -why did the breeder not want first choice herself? Breeding is about making money . But is this correct? When l have tried to contact the seller she does not return my texts or calls. GLENDAX, To put an end to all the uncertainty of parentage and to confirm kc papers are true and genuine blood test all breeding stock their dna cannot lie. Hello all, Thank you for your comments. I was not entirely surprised when 8 months later the breeder phoned me and asked if I didn't want to buy a friend for Bobby, as he now had little brothers and sisters. 2. Leigh Clarke. Gerry Martin. He has lost most of his teeth. I thought I had done a lot of research on the topic. Please enable Cookies and reload the page. 17th January 2014 14:14 - Posted by : I need to know how to identify them for insurance purposes- mother is not registered, no papers with pups- so are they pedigree or not? gemma, 24th September 2013 21:49 - Posted by : Of course, not all show breeders are good -there are good and bad in all walks of life. He looks like a little Charlie Chaplin. On the other hand, my dogs that came from a caring show breeder have parents and grandparents etc. Deciding on what to charge for your puppies is difficult though; if you let them go too cheap you fear they will go to a puppy farm and also people will think something is wrong with them especially when breeders who ARE out to make money are selling poodle crosses (many of whose parents have not heen health tested) for ridiculous amounts of money. Then I found another breeder who was expecting some Shih Tzu puppies and said I could choose one at birth which was soon, she was curt, and I felt like I could finally give my daughter a puppy. 14th December 2015 22:54 - Posted by : What can l do about it? 22nd August 2015 21:18 - Posted by : Hi. I'm not a breeder, I've never been to a dog show. We had a pedigree German shepherd that had numerous heredity problems. New owners should never leave without these documents and papers. Search Engines are your best friend - search for the parents' names. I just want to buy a suitable dog, from a good breeder. Maria, You say no good breeder expects to make money out of breeding. Puppies should be socialized with the litter and their parent. He disliked men n had gone for my boyfriend and brother. He was black and white and I had decided to call him Bobby, after my grandparents' Papillon all those years earlier. 4th March 2018 14:38 - Posted by : But they sold their pups for 600 pounds each no kc doc. The health tests are not mandatory and do not ensure a healthy pup even if screened for conditions. A council in Lancashire is now looking to enforce laws making it illegal to walk your dog without a lead. 27th February 2015 23:32 - Posted by : Our 2nd is leggy, 10 inches at shoulder height already (16wks), has both rear dew claws that catch all the time, has a hernia, and a kink in her tail. How much the dog/puppy might be? 7th April 2015 00:55 - Posted by : Disreputable breeders are disreputable people. And his stomach has always been very sensitive. Rubbish! No. 9th April 2015 22:19 - Posted by : No person shall cause or allow any dog or cat owned, harbored or kept within the County of Stanislaus to breed without first obtaining a litter permit. Then she wanted me to sell him and give her another $1000 for another puppy. I guessed she must be breed the animals for profit but didn't think it would matter too much as she had said in her email to me that she didn't breed her Shih Tzu very often, and the mother dog looked healthy as did the 4 out of 5 puppies. I bought a Cavalier King Charles Spaniel from what I thought to be a reputable breeder here in the U.S. I know this is the breed I want. As i mentioned the puppy is to be a pet, so I didn't think papers would be important, but now after reading the feed back about buying a puppy from various types of breeders, I am wondering if the breeder I am buying from is a puppy farmer. Thanks lee, 4th January 2017 17:15 - Posted by : 17th June 2013 10:19 - Posted by : 26th July 2018 22:16 - Posted by : Consider all cost honest breeder has to incure following all guidlines i believe the final value drops even lower than puppy farm puppy. They are simply so small they need their mother and litter mates for longer, they don't develop as quickly as larger breeds. That's why puppies with papers are sold at ridiculous prices like �2000 and up! 24th October 2017 20:09 - Posted by : As a former judge, show exhibitor, and breeder of spaniels for many years, all of which were KC registered, I would like to submit the following for the interested to mull over..... Due to severe illness I had to very sadly part With the majority of my beloved dogs. That's the day the problems started, we was there over 30 mins before she told the 1 we had been looking for had been reserved since day 1 (ok, u never mentioned this before we travelled 80 miles to view). He has turned almost completely grey and several vets have remarked on how he appears to be much older than his age. You have to include your permit number on any advertisement for the puppies. Proff breeders do it for the money just the same as puppy mills a so called back yard breeder is often doing it to secure a pup frm their well loved pet and so everything is done to ensure the best rearing usually in a home i.e. Papers Prove the Bloodline. Lynn Koehler. I understand that no reputable breeder wants to sell to a puppy farmer, or someone who will breed the dog with just about anything, but when I visit a breeder I don't my experience to feel an inquisition. Just feel so upset by this experience. Why would somebody allow their winning show dog to mate an unregistered pet bitch, and more to the point, why would anybody BREED from an unregistered bitch, where none of the puppies could be registered? Lena. Thus the passing of the draft law by the FNC aims to end this practice. Also, any official health test results WILL be printed on your puppy's registration certificate! Quality and looks is what most people care about anyway. I bought it with full registration rights for breeding purposes. And please dont try to control buyer because once you sold puppy you sold it if you so concerened about puppies wealthear why did not keep him? Litters whelped in the Republic of Ireland, Guernsey or Jersey must be registered with The Irish Kennel Club (IKC), The Guernsey Dog Club (GDC) or the Kennel Club of Jersey (KCJ) as applicable. Already paid her $2500. The other questioned me so intensely I felt I was on trial, and the regular check ins with the breeder made me feel I was renting the dog, and I wondered when the dog would be mine. I also already knew that it was a healthy breed, with few health problems and usually a very long lifespan. It shows his bloodline going back four or more generations with the registered names of all the dogs. Indeed, the world's oldest recorded dog … 7th June 2016 16:12 - Posted by : 31st May 2016 22:03 - Posted by : I breed Standard Poodles and the most important thing for me is to breed healthy, happy dogs. 1st June 2015 17:57 - Posted by : "You know that's illegal," she says. Rosie. He was moving and couldn't bring all three dogs. Bit of advice needed please My bulldog was given to me by a family member without the papers(they kept them) 3 yrs ago now, although I have her full family tree, if I do decide to breed her (as was thinking of a friend for her) I wouldn�t be able to kc register the puppies as we no longer talk, if she had only 1 pup that would be great as I would be keeping as a pet friend but if she had more would I be unable to sell them on, as I couldn�t keep them all or should I just be happy with my healthy happy bulldog and not breed ? nardia. Tom. Becki. brandon, can i just say you talk a lot of rubbish all peaple who breads dogs do it to make money othere wise wye bread so dont tell peaple none reg dog breaders only do it for money utter rubbish (next) all breads of dogs have heath problems show dogs and alike all youdo is sy my dog is kc reg so its perfect rubbish i agree on one thing you say and that is the puppies you are selling should be heath chect befor sold, 28th November 2014 23:21 - Posted by : This breeder turns out, has 35 dogs and does nothing but breeding for a living. But, they can't be misrepresented. So being kc registered doesn't stop you from buying dogs that have health problems my in laws wanted to breed the chihuahuas for 3 litters but turns out they can't due to the complex health problems of both dogs, 17th September 2014 19:39 - Posted by : 31st August 2017 12:10 - Posted by : Alistair young. The oldest is close in age to Bobby yet she only looks about half his age. (1), (2), (4) and (5).The dam was not resident at a UK address at the date of whelping.Please note that for the purposes of registration a UK address includes the mainland of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. Which is finding out about the lineage of the dog. We looked online and found a nearby family breeder. Anything I can do? We have a bitch that my partner bought without papers (mom and dad had papers this breeder was clearly in it for the money). That's why many re-home their birches when they can't be bred any more. Any such application must be supported by veterinary evidence as to the suitability of the bitch involved in the proposed whelping, orThe dam was under one year old at the time of mating, orThe offspring are the result of any mating between father and daughter, mother and son or brother and sister, save in exceptional circumstances or for scientifically proven welfare reasons and permission has been received, orThe dam has already had two litters delivered by caesarean section, save for scientifically proven welfare reasons and this only provided the application is made prior to the mating. Everything seams hunky dory. also are.� Even if you buy a puppy where for one reason or another you will not get KC registration, double check that the parents ARE registered, get their names, check their health tests. 14th January 2020 15:08 - Posted by : 24th July 2015 08:27 - Posted by : Look at the environment the pups come from, is it clean? In the meantime, I read up on the breed -for the umpteenth time. The dog's vest says "service animal" but the man says the dog just makes people happy and that he bought the vest just to take the dog into stores. I had totally fallen in love with my puppy and nievally trusted the sellers version of events. I was a little taken aback when I arrived as the breeder had a lot of dogs and had another set of puppies as well as the ones I was choosing from. We brought a 13th mth old pedigree dog 2wks ago fron someone who got him as a pup we were given mother pedigree and fathers KC regstation papers and no papers for the dog it's self when I started to look into it it turns out the papers are false . Then at last we found someone who still had the puppies she had advertised on Trade Me, we had been so excited, we thought we had found the dog for our family, and then the breeder was so full on, I just didn't want to get the dog from her as she made me feel like I was a suspect in a murder trial. I refuse to sell puppies for her. Paul Maguire. The mum was with the pups and seemed a lovely gentle natured dog. I tried to tell her that but she told me it didn't matter she wasn't going to get in trouble. I also already knew that it was a healthy breed, with few health problems and usually a very long lifespan. I thought I was buying a AKA puppy but to late found out it wasn't. Bobby turned into a lovely dog, that I took to training classes and passed the KC Good Citizen Bronze, Silver and Gold tests with. Brenda. Although I do get that some breeds require a lot more �� spending on them for c sections, health testing etc. I have been around numerous pedigrees and crossbred my whole life. I was once turned-down by a breeder after a 10 minute `grilling`on the phone, principally because she didn`t like the sound of the dog sitter I proposed using, while I was at work. Just be careful, and don't rush in. I feel so confused over KC registration. I found this site by typing in to google, "What is the point of getting a dog with papers? However you had to vet potential buyer. I do take exception that it is 'rubbish' that no good breeder expects to 'make money' although, I fear a lot of not so good breeders do! What I found were dog snobs and show people that won't answer enquiries. Further to this why would they breed off an unhealthy pet when keeping a pup for themselves. From 6th April 2016 onwards, a new regulation relating to the mandatory microchipping of all dogs in the UK comes into force, which will have a range of wide-reaching implications for all dog owners and potential puppy buyers. Anything you want except register them with the AKC. My border collie who I bought as a puppy 8 months ago (first and last puppy) has no papers he is from working stock both sire an dam are working dogs and so will mine be. But somewhere along the line, there is a history of this problem. I don't think so. The only reason I didn't want to breed them with each other was because he is not KC reg. Treatments from the vet did not work. I love my little guy and thank God he pulled through but I should have gotten what I paid for whether I wanted to breed or not. Yet soon found out he wasn't registered. While we have a 'bill of sale' we don't really want to take her back to the unscrupulous sellers but cannot afford to be out of pocket.Anyone got any advice? Have the pups been at least partly socialised, does the breeder offer them with first vaccinations? Adele. Sweetpea. That is the law. I must have missed that and now I feel like a fool. darren, why pay £750 for an endorsed dog thats only a PET , and cant breed from , when you can have the same blood lines and pedigree for £450 and no KC and breed from,still good blood line, 9th August 2015 23:25 - Posted by : Until such puppy or kitten has attained the age of 8 weeks. Jenny tunstill, I have 2 pugs both i got just over 8 yrs ago i got them cheaper due to the fact they was not for breeding i did see there kc that i could have and 5 star pedigree had i paid a extra �500 but i wanted pets only and got them fixed both r fantastic healthy boys never needed a vet exept for there injections.now i also have two french bulldogs age 18 month none are reg and one is fantastic with health the other poor health so far the girl has cost me 4 grand in vet bills, 15th July 2019 13:06 - Posted by : 8th March 2015 12:10 - Posted by : Anyway not long after he turned two he was stolen and we have not found him since. Lynn Ducasse. he's a fantastic family pet and healthy too is there any way i could check his pedigree thank you for your time, 20th September 2013 04:53 - Posted by : But 5 mths into to looking for a dog, after wondering why people want a dog with papers, I see I have neglected the most important research of all. Our lasted till he was about 8. We do not intend to breed, and spaying is due on the 2nd pup soon, our 1st was done at 6 months. The runny eyes have remained. I finally parted with him as a pet to someone else. Duncan &Veronica Mackay. To be honest price for puppies are almost the same with KC doc or without. Kc are evil and have no knowledge. The advert was for "kc reg, pedigree pups" 5 in total, with 1 blue, which we had explained we was looking for, after several emails back and forth, we eventually came to day we went to meet them for 1st time, they was 4 wks old. She is beautiful and we plan to add another sometime next year. That goes to show how "caring" KC are. 18th July 2015 11:24 - Posted by : We have adored her and kept her as a pet for 4 years now he has decided he wants a single litter from her, not for money but because he has it in his head that he wants to keep one her puppies. Also Bobby's front legs are slightly tested, with his paws turning out. 28th December 2013 07:45 - Posted by : If you want a good dog please buy a purebred dog from a breeder who carries out extensive health tests and offers on going support to you, or instead of being taken in by so called breeders of 'hybrid' dogs go to a local rescue and offer a home to a dog in need. Just remember you can not tell if a rescue has five generation I'm sure as a reputable and caring breeder you had just not Thought of this when you wrote your article as I'm sure you would have no intention of damaging people's opinion on rescues due to a lack of papers, 27th September 2014 18:22 - Posted by : I have spoken to a few breeders in my area (there are loads of KC collie breeders here) and all of them agree he is a wonderful example of the breed and a few have even said his lack I papers is a shame as the want him for stud due to his wonderful merle markings and body build ( not that I would ever breed as much as I want to the over population is something I will not contribute to) I thought it only fair to add my good stories to this as I would not want people to only see the bad. Puppy or kitten has attained the age of 8 weeks what can do. Sales, but if price is no official health test results will be the case worst of all snobbery. 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